Actually it points more towards evolution. Alot of creatures with similar characteristics which now look different but share alot of the same traits. Definately points towards more of a branching off ( development tree ) then "TA-DA! Look animals!"

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Meh, if you really think about it, God could have simply put in tons of signs that the earth is some 2 billion years old or whatever it is, and pointing to evolution, etc. So arguing that any set of evidence proves or disproves anything doesn't really disprove creationism. Just disproves a specific method. Me, I figure there's all this evidence lying around because we are seeing how he made it. But maybe that's just me. And maybe he's playing a really deep game, where the whole planet was created 7000 years or so ago instantly (*poof*), and he just stuck that stuff in to give us something to do .

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Sure, that is always possible. But then again, Anything is possible Even the wacked out Spagetti Monster

I believe, mainly because I have no idea of what could possibly have come before, well, everything and becasue I have hope. Hope that what I am is more than just a walking slab of meat that builds things and that strives for no purpose. That I am more than a brief flicker in the universe. I neeed to believe that there is more to look forward to than that last dying breath and the cold embrace of the ground.

Any way I haven't been drinking enought to continue the rant so I'll leave it at that for now. ...

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Nice rant.

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one main problem with evolution there has never been any increase in genetic information,
evolution requires steady increase of gen info

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21:14:15 | Arcanix has been defeated by shaphan.

another poser: cells tend to die, its hard to think of a pile on molicules bursting into life, and just happening to know what to do to servive and have celllets so starting life. the whole story defies statistics

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21:14:15 | Arcanix has been defeated by shaphan.

first post:

ok, first off No. you're talking nonsence again. 'steady increase in genetic information' what does that phrase even mean? evolution certainly doesnt require it, random mutation and natural selection, thats all thats necessary. secondly you seem to have evidence (n fact you seem to be suggesting 'proof' ) of a lack in 'increase in genetic material' i guess you managed to extract DNA from fossils and compare to modern day equivalents. No?oh... so you'll have the refences you got this information from then?

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'and have celllets so starting life' dont even understand what you're trying to get at here, so shall ignore this phrase.

otherwise i agree. 'its hard to think of a pile on molicules bursting into life'. quite. the whole idea of life suddenly existing as given in genesis is rediculous! (thats what i assume you're talking about here). of course when we realise that the earth is more than a few thousand years old, and in fact closer to 4 billion, we can understand that it did in fact take a very long time for life to evolve.

p.s. there is an edit button, two seperate posts, one after the next isnt necessary. just for future reference

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To be honest Shaphan, that sounds ridiculous. Evolution requires a change in genetic information (a mutation, such as interiority described), not an increase in genetic information.

As for your second post, take a look at the newly found "lost planet" somewhre in South America. The animals there have no fear of humans because they have not had contact with humans, as such they haven't learnt to be afraid of them. When you're talking about knowing what to do to survive you enter into the realms of arguing about the mind. The mind is many layered and complex, it can think about (I believe) up to seven things at once on at least as many levels. The knowing what to do to survive, or what is needed to survive, is an instinct that can be developed over time. Do you really think that the lion evolved and immediately thought "oh look! Antelope! I want I want I want"?

Of course, this could be evidence for either evolution or creationalism, it all depends on your interpretation of what I have said or your own beliefs. I am reasonably sure you're going to argue that God made us that way to ensure that we have survived. Others might argue that these instincts and actions have been developed by beings over time so they have learnt from experience what they must do to survive.

Do I believe in a God? Yes, I have to or else I'd get incredibly depressed that I live for 70ish years if I'm lucky and then just die, as pointless as a single ant in the workings of the Universe. But I also believe in evolution. Having said that, not long ago the best minds in the world believed that the world was flat. 60 years ago, the best minds in the world believed that the atom was the smallest thing on the planet, until they cracked it open and found particles and molecules etc... so it is very possible that the brightest scientific minds on the planet could be wrong again

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